MasterOne, 2014-01-01 04:23 »
Non Hic wrote:I'm starting to think that Microsoft deliberately and on purpose made Windows 8.x user interface sucky to distract people from the real issue, Windows Store lock-in... AND...
I'm not at all into conspiracy theories besides enjoying the science fiction entertainment they provide; when people start believing in them, and then further start believing in more, you start to question why they believe in things which have less evidence associated with them. It's like someone getting cancer, and going to some quack to get treated and eventually succumbing to their illness because they decided that the snake oil treatment was the one to be trusted. The case of a potential conspiracy alleging that Microsoft deliberately made the Windows 8.x user interface bad to distract people from "Windows Store lock-in" wouldn't make sense to me, because the UI itself is what turned so many people off to Windows 8.x, and that resulted in the shunning by many of the idea of purchasing the product altogether. I think the UI is just indicative of what Microsoft's history shows us: they really don't have any taste. I think Sinofsky and Ballmer being let go kind of further proves the point that Microsoft isn't fucking around, and if you fuck the consumer division of the company up by designing and releasing atrociously crappy shit, you will be guaranteed to get eighty-sixed. If Microsoft wants to change people's opinions of Windows, then they better release something that doesn't have a known back door, doesn't have a bifurcated user interface, and is something that isn't designed for people with an IQ of 70. But what do I care; I prefer Linux as it's a better platform and has a superior kernel and native filesystem than what Microsoft offers.
Non Hic wrote:...and also, I think they know that this would hurt OEMs. Why do it? Because they want to sell their own machines and hardware now! What a brilliant and sinister plan really. I mean, think about it, they are strong in the enterprise and they could survive a hit on one or two Windows versions being a dud but many many many OEMs will not survive it. I think this is the second stage of their plan. First distract the people from the Windows Store lock-in, second, start killing off as many OEMs as you can.
I have to disagree here. That conspiracy is just too out there and goes against exactly what made Microsoft what they are today. The irony over the corporate decisions MS made over Windows 8, is that MS's biggest market share is in desktop computing, yet they foisted a tablet OS on their most important consumer market. When MS's tablet and phone offerings are pretty much total failures, why would they purposely ruin Windows with the intent of eventually fixing it in hopes to garner future sales in two area which are already extremely volatile? We could say that part of the conspiratorial plan is that MS is predicting that in a technological sense, Linux has came so far along that Windows has no long-term future on the desktop, and by deliberately destroying and fixing Windows in the future, right around the time they kill off the OEMs, they will profit that much more by having a business model just like Apple's. The thing about that, is that Apple has a predominately esoteric customer base that's after a chic product, something Microsoft doesn't enjoy, and would, in my mind, be almost impossible to achieve at this point in history. Buying Nokia is an attempt at MS trying to gain more traction in the smartphone arena, as their smartphone market share percentage is currently dismal. I don't think MS is ever going to get big in mobile, but I could be wrong. Prove me wrong Microsoft, and release a phone OS that doesn't have a UI with a bunch of dumbass little squares all over the screen -- something a 9-year old developmentally disabled child may be attracted to. Could it be possible that Microsoft has a secret plan to kill OEMs off? Yeah, but if they wanted to, they could discontinue licensing their software to OEMs and only sell their own OS's on their own devices. OEMs help Microsoft's entire ecosystem, because those companies perform their own advertising, distribution, technical support, manufacturing, etc -- and, as I previously pointed out, consumers that aren't shopping for crapple want to see a variety, not to mention that competition lowers prices. And in the meantime, Microsoft can still be a competitor and sell their own offerings. Also, Microsoft has a long tradition of licensing to OEMs, and that makes them a lot of money. Why break precedent now?
Non Hic wrote:Sure, we call them dumb and stupid but in reality, I don't think they (including Ballmer) are THAT stupid. These kinds of corporate snakes have always a plan and they never get to the position they are by being stupid or lucky.
Windows 8 was already too far down the pipeline after they realized what a piece of shit it was, so they had to go forward with their original plan. Blunders happen all the time in big business, and Windows 8 has gone down in history as a stupid and careless mistake. Steve Ballmer is only a business man, and obviously hired the wrong people. In that sense, yes, he's an idiot.
by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751) wrote:After MS started this whole MSDN certified shop philosophy they realized that they could trap people into their ecosystem. Nearly every product they have come up with since has not been a very good product but another attempt to lock people in. Sharepoint would be a near perfect example. It seems to be designed to be a MS glue that where you needed MS SQL, MS Server, MS Office, MS Outlook, MS Explorer, and MS Windows to make it work. Take any bit away and no more sharepoint. There would be no slowly migrating away from that one. MS probably looked at how they killed WordPerfect and Novell and said, "We won't let anyone get a thin edge of a wedge into our ecosystem like we did to them."
Last I checked MS didn't run a charity. Of course they're going to try to lock people into their ecosystem -- is this guy just on a role to write the obvious, like: "hey guys, the sky is blue!" If you don't like it, don't use it. Do I agree with the idea that the Windows Store is a good thing? No. But Microsoft can do whatever they want with their software, and if they piss users and developers off in the process, so be it -- that's on them. I'm neither a Microsoft lover or a Microsoft hater. I'm unbiased, and tell it as I see it, and I do use Windows.
by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751) wrote:But they let things stagnate so much that when mobile came along all they could think about was protecting their eco system. So instead of coming up with a lightweight tablet they made the surface that integrates with their eco system.
The Surface integrates with MS's eco system? Holy shit! Run for the hills people!
by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751) wrote:So basically it seems that MS has become a company that is entirely based upon fooling people into making bad decisions.
I think this guy is a potential candidate to be MS's next CEO.
by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751) wrote:But this might seem like a good idea to keep customers from leaking away. The problem is that when they do leave they leave entirely and are never coming back unless their new system sucks even more. Where this is real problem is that the MS system can really suck without losing too many customers due to inertia. But as history has repeatedly shown people don't leave one stagnant tradition for a slightly better one, they leave for something completely new and often quite different.
The sky is falling!
by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751) wrote:An interesting example from history was the end of whale oil; it was around $1900 per barrel (today's prices) while crude oil was around $90 a barrel. This put more and more pressure for people to figure out how to extract useful replacements from crude. When they did still people kept on with Whale oil but then suddenly "petroleum" products wiped out the whale oil industry almost overnight. Once the trend started there was nothing the whale industry could do; it was over.
Now we're talking about whale oil? This guy is a complete moron.
by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751) wrote:I would say that MS is in a very bad place. Customers who switch to mobile are entirely eliminating MS from their minds. Not out of hate or revenge but simply they don't see an use for MS products in their lives. Of course some people are still using MS office to type a bit and Excel to add up a few numbers but the vast majority would be perfectly happy with Office 97.
"They don't see a use for MS products in their lives"? What the fucking hell is this idiot even talking about? Office 365 is making a shit ton of cash currently, so this guy obviously needs his mother to pull the cable out of the wall and send him on his merry way back down to his basement.
by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751) wrote:So as I say MS has a business model based upon people making bad decisions. But now many people aren't even seeing MS as one of their options.
The chemtrails are killing us!
[quote="Non Hic"]I'm starting to think that Microsoft deliberately and on purpose made Windows 8.x user interface sucky to distract people from the real issue, Windows Store lock-in... AND...[/quote]
I'm not at all into conspiracy theories besides enjoying the science fiction entertainment they provide; when people start believing in them, and then further start believing in more, you start to question why they believe in things which have less evidence associated with them. It's like someone getting cancer, and going to some quack to get treated and eventually succumbing to their illness because they decided that the snake oil treatment was the one to be trusted. The case of a potential conspiracy alleging that Microsoft deliberately made the Windows 8.x user interface bad to distract people from "Windows Store lock-in" wouldn't make sense to me, because the UI itself is what turned so many people off to Windows 8.x, and that resulted in the shunning by many of the idea of purchasing the product altogether. I think the UI is just indicative of what Microsoft's history shows us: they really don't have any taste. I think Sinofsky and Ballmer being let go kind of further proves the point that Microsoft isn't fucking around, and if you fuck the consumer division of the company up by designing and releasing atrociously crappy shit, you will be guaranteed to get eighty-sixed. If Microsoft wants to change people's opinions of Windows, then they better release something that doesn't have a known back door, doesn't have a bifurcated user interface, and is something that isn't designed for people with an IQ of 70. But what do I care; I prefer Linux as it's a better platform and has a superior kernel and native filesystem than what Microsoft offers.
[quote="Non Hic"]...and also, I think they know that this would hurt OEMs. Why do it? Because they want to sell their own machines and hardware now! What a brilliant and sinister plan really. I mean, think about it, they are strong in the enterprise and they could survive a hit on one or two Windows versions being a dud but many many many OEMs will not survive it. I think this is the second stage of their plan. First distract the people from the Windows Store lock-in, second, start killing off as many OEMs as you can.[/quote]
I have to disagree here. That conspiracy is just too out there and goes against exactly what made Microsoft what they are today. The irony over the corporate decisions MS made over Windows 8, is that MS's biggest market share is in desktop computing, yet they foisted a tablet OS on their most important consumer market. When MS's tablet and phone offerings are pretty much total failures, why would they purposely ruin Windows with the intent of eventually fixing it in hopes to garner future sales in two area which are already extremely volatile? We could say that part of the conspiratorial plan is that MS is predicting that in a technological sense, Linux has came so far along that Windows has no long-term future on the desktop, and by deliberately destroying and fixing Windows in the future, right around the time they kill off the OEMs, they will profit that much more by having a business model just like Apple's. The thing about that, is that Apple has a predominately esoteric customer base that's after a chic product, something Microsoft doesn't enjoy, and would, in my mind, be almost impossible to achieve at this point in history. Buying Nokia is an attempt at MS trying to gain more traction in the smartphone arena, as their smartphone market share percentage is currently dismal. I don't think MS is ever going to get big in mobile, but I could be wrong. Prove me wrong Microsoft, and release a phone OS that doesn't have a UI with a bunch of dumbass little squares all over the screen -- something a 9-year old developmentally disabled child may be attracted to. Could it be possible that Microsoft has a secret plan to kill OEMs off? Yeah, but if they wanted to, they could discontinue licensing their software to OEMs and only sell their own OS's on their own devices. OEMs help Microsoft's entire ecosystem, because those companies perform their own advertising, distribution, technical support, manufacturing, etc -- and, as I previously pointed out, consumers that aren't shopping for crapple want to see a variety, not to mention that competition lowers prices. And in the meantime, Microsoft can still be a competitor and sell their own offerings. Also, Microsoft has a long tradition of licensing to OEMs, and that makes them a lot of money. Why break precedent now?
[quote="Non Hic"]Sure, we call them dumb and stupid but in reality, I don't think they (including Ballmer) are THAT stupid. These kinds of corporate snakes have always a plan and they never get to the position they are by being stupid or lucky.[/quote]
Windows 8 was already too far down the pipeline after they realized what a piece of shit it was, so they had to go forward with their original plan. Blunders happen all the time in big business, and Windows 8 has gone down in history as a stupid and careless mistake. Steve Ballmer is only a business man, and obviously hired the wrong people. In that sense, yes, he's an idiot.
[quote="by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751)"]After MS started this whole MSDN certified shop philosophy they realized that they could trap people into their ecosystem. Nearly every product they have come up with since has not been a very good product but another attempt to lock people in. Sharepoint would be a near perfect example. It seems to be designed to be a MS glue that where you needed MS SQL, MS Server, MS Office, MS Outlook, MS Explorer, and MS Windows to make it work. Take any bit away and no more sharepoint. There would be no slowly migrating away from that one. MS probably looked at how they killed WordPerfect and Novell and said, "We won't let anyone get a thin edge of a wedge into our ecosystem like we did to them."[/quote]
Last I checked MS didn't run a charity. Of course they're going to try to lock people into their ecosystem -- is this guy just on a role to write the obvious, like: "hey guys, the sky is blue!" If you don't like it, don't use it. Do I agree with the idea that the Windows Store is a good thing? No. But Microsoft can do whatever they want with their software, and if they piss users and developers off in the process, so be it -- that's on them. I'm neither a Microsoft lover or a Microsoft hater. I'm unbiased, and tell it as I see it, and I do use Windows.
[quote="by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751)"]But they let things stagnate so much that when mobile came along all they could think about was protecting their eco system. So instead of coming up with a lightweight tablet they made the surface that integrates with their eco system.[/quote]
The Surface integrates with MS's eco system? Holy shit! Run for the hills people!
[quote="by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751)"]So basically it seems that MS has become a company that is entirely based upon fooling people into making bad decisions.[/quote]
I think this guy is a potential candidate to be MS's next CEO.
[quote="by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751)"]But this might seem like a good idea to keep customers from leaking away. The problem is that when they do leave they leave entirely and are never coming back unless their new system sucks even more. Where this is real problem is that the MS system can really suck without losing too many customers due to inertia. But as history has repeatedly shown people don't leave one stagnant tradition for a slightly better one, they leave for something completely new and often quite different.[/quote]
The sky is falling!
[quote="by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751)"]An interesting example from history was the end of whale oil; it was around $1900 per barrel (today's prices) while crude oil was around $90 a barrel. This put more and more pressure for people to figure out how to extract useful replacements from crude. When they did still people kept on with Whale oil but then suddenly "petroleum" products wiped out the whale oil industry almost overnight. Once the trend started there was nothing the whale industry could do; it was over.[/quote]
Now we're talking about whale oil? This guy is a complete moron.
[quote="by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751)"]I would say that MS is in a very bad place. Customers who switch to mobile are entirely eliminating MS from their minds. Not out of hate or revenge but simply they don't see an use for MS products in their lives. Of course some people are still using MS office to type a bit and Excel to add up a few numbers but the vast majority would be perfectly happy with Office 97.[/quote]
"They don't see a use for MS products in their lives"? What the fucking hell is this idiot even talking about? Office 365 is making a shit ton of cash currently, so this guy obviously needs his mother to pull the cable out of the wall and send him on his merry way back down to his basement.
[quote="by EmperorOfCanada (1332175) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:09PM (#45802751)"]So as I say MS has a business model based upon people making bad decisions. But now many people aren't even seeing MS as one of their options.[/quote]
The chemtrails are killing us!