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[quote="Scorpius"]WHO SAID YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SAY WORDS SUCH AS "FUCK" OR POST NUDE WOMEN IN HERE? I WILL BAN YOU ALL AND DELETE ALL YOUR POSTS!!! :evil:[/quote]Its time to pack my shit up and leave to never return. There goes our freedom :lol: :D
You guys and girls are fucking awesome. Oops, I mean frigging :P 8-)

[quote="MasterOne"]I agree with you here, because MS can save money if they switch to a BSD kernel -- which may be something that will be needed in the future (cost cutting), as Windows continues down its rocky declension. They could drastically downsize their kernel development department, and reap all the benefits of the BSD kernel. However, you can imagine how much pride-swallowing would have to occur for this to ever happen. Plus, the Windows kernel is actually quite good. It's other elements of Windows that have issues. I have read that Linux and BSD manage memory better over the long haul than Windows, which is why you see Linux and BSD servers having not been rebooted for years. I don't hear the same stories about Windows servers. I don't know if this is true or not, but it seems pretty believable to me with all the eyes on the Linux kernel, as devs constantly optimize it. That's the big upside of free and open source software projects that attracts a lot of attention; something that Microsoft could not do, even with all of their billions of dollars. The open source development model for software development is just better. Period. Yes, there are some crappy open source software titles which are practically dead or that have very little developmental efforts happening, but that isn't any metric to measure the entire spectrum.[/quote]

Yes!!! You see it. I'm so glad. I'm glad you quoted my over the long haul bit too. Of course, I'm not saying to kill it immediately. You're absolutely correct too, Windows does have some good attributes. Hopefully some of that could be pumped into an open source OS. I rather imagine that if they could, as you said, swallow some pride and do something like this, that they'd maintain a proprietary version with a little secret sauce. It's not only Windows itself that would need some of this cutting many of the libraries in Windows and some of the programs would need it. In my opinion, Windows could use a good spring cleaning now. Stop having developers reinvent wheels that are already available. Seriously, as one example, how much does Microsoft get out of Internet Explorer?

You can always have liquid cooling in that computer of yours. It will make some noise but way less than any fan does while being way better, and will also work for the GFX cards and co. Decent PSU will have no problems running fanless. I personally just mod the stuff to run at low rpm so they are pretty much inaudible... HDDs are the loudest things in my computers.

And to make this post complete, here's some bare skin :
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WHO SAID YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SAY WORDS SUCH AS "FUCK" OR POST NUDE WOMEN IN HERE? I WILL BAN YOU ALL AND DELETE ALL YOUR POSTS!!! :evil:

Well, ...no, not really. I was just pretending that we are on any other forum(s) out there. To hell with them all, foolsdesign.org and techtalk.cc rule! :relaxed:

Enjoy the freedom!

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[b]Back to the topic at hand,[/b] I too agree that Microsoft must have that tiny little checkbox that allows developers' and power users' to roam free on their own computers while allowing security for the sheep who likes to live inside a prison.

[quote="MasterOne"]...The tower type computers won't die, they will just just sell less. ... The future of gaming also needs extreme power. The whole "PC is dying" mantra is a marketing tool, and definite misnomer.[/quote]
I agree on it 100%. Speaking of gaming, I tried real hard to find a good gaming laptop and there is no such thing. They are all overpriced crap with high noise fan or whatnot. Decided to build a tower gaming PC in the end. Although, I do hate fans. They are stupid and moronic!

Long story short, I found some nice fanless solutions. This one I bought, the [url=http://www.silentpcreview.com/NoFan_CR-95C_Copper]CR-95C[/url]. It looks kind of funny but I hope it works. Everything from eBay and everything is almost here. I will be taking pictures of the build and post here for sure! I will also post some results to see if it actually works as a gaming PC or if it gets too hot.

I even got a fanless PSU. I most probably will not be able to find a good fanless graphics card but hm, maybe... I am guessing that I will at least need one fan, maybe a 140mm on the back of the box but one 140mm fan is totally fine instead of several!

Wish me luck, the parts weren't cheap so hopefully, I won't fuck things up while building it! :|

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Ps. Lovely image choice, now you forced me to pick one too! :mrgreen:

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[quote="Steven W"]You guys seem to be dancing around something that's been in the back of my mind too. Would it be such a horrible thing if Microsoft actually let Windows as we know it just die? I'm not saying immediately, but over the long haul.[/quote]

Windows is far from dead, as you can see how the poorly-reviewed and controversial Windows 8.x still made a splash.

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Microsoft claims over 200 million licenses sold, but with so many big businesses having cooked their books and released phony numbers in past history, it's up to each individual to believe or not believe this number. Does anyone here remember Enron? And, of course, a fraction of those 200 million licenses sold are actually copies in use. As long as Windows is making a profit, it makes sense to keep it going. Microsoft has to be careful how much money they pump into it, because it could just drop off fairly quickly one day. I wrote that I thought Windows will become more irrelevant and its future looked bleak, but there's still money to be made. There's no need for them to kill it off, as it will just die by itself when the time comes. I think we have reached the tipping point, as it looks like Microsoft is continuing to make poor management decisions, and is taking forever to fix Windows 8. They should have just released an update to turn all that lame shit off and give people a Start menu. I guess that was too much to ask for.

[quote="Steven W"]Switch to a BSD kernel, develop a interface for a phone or perhaps start with ASOP, then add features to it for a full PC, more features for a full server. I realize it might mean the end of a lot of people's jobs, but that is probably going to happen in the long run anyway. It just seems to me that unless they do something drastic, they will become irrelevant.[/quote]

I agree with you here, because MS can save money if they switch to a BSD kernel -- which may be something that will be needed in the future (cost cutting), as Windows continues down its rocky declension. They could drastically downsize their kernel development department, and reap all the benefits of the BSD kernel. However, you can imagine how much pride-swallowing would have to occur for this to ever happen. Plus, the Windows kernel is actually quite good. It's other elements of Windows that have issues. I have read that Linux and BSD manage memory better over the long haul than Windows, which is why you see Linux and BSD servers having not been rebooted for years. I don't hear the same stories about Windows servers. I don't know if this is true or not, but it seems pretty believable to me with all the eyes on the Linux kernel, as devs constantly optimize it. That's the big upside of free and open source software projects that attracts a lot of attention; something that Microsoft could not do, even with all of their billions of dollars. The open source development model for software development is just better. Period. Yes, there are some crappy open source software titles which are practically dead or that have very little developmental efforts happening, but that isn't any metric to measure the entire spectrum.

[quote="Non Hic"]The other issue is also the fact that they are trying to lock Windows down.[/quote]

True, but whether you like it or not, most Windows users [i]want[/i] a locked down OS. People love their iBads, and love how everything is controlled by Apple, and love their little walled gardens. They love being able to easily buy apps, and don't even know what side loading is, nor do they care. They have their credit card number stored on file, and buy stupid apps when the commercials on TV get boring. People are sick and tired of the old way of doing things on Windows, and the app stores are the new big thing. Consumers are screaming for more totalitarianism and feudalism; they're sheep and like being controlled. Consumers will take a locked down device. Devs will not. The math is easy: no devs, no apps, no platform. Get your dumbass head out of your ass Microsoft. Wake the fuck up and smell the coffee! The more MS alienates developers, and the more they piss off power users, the more people will switch to other platforms due to the lack of applications and cost savings I earlier wrote about. Microsoft can delay the inevitable, but not stop it. There should be a separate version of Windows for power users, or an option to tick to allow side loading. Windows' insecurity makes it lose market share, so there is an upside to locking it down. The point I'm trying to make is that Windows needs to be locked down, just as GNU/Linux and BSD are. Put a password in, and it lets you be root. Windows is trying to put you in a play pen and throw the key away. That's stupid, and isn't the way to do "security". Let consumers have their beloved walled garden, and let devs have it their way too. Let there be an installation option to install or not install the crapp store, although that would take away from the foisting effort.

[size=150][b]However, I will never use an OS with a built-in backdoor in the app store! I have control over _my_ software, not you Microsoft! Fuck you![/b]
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[quote="Non Hic"]Bottom line is that most developers (sane and educated ones) develop for a platform which is most open. Just compare Android to iOS/Windows Phone. The only reason is its openness because anyone can write something, anything, and distribute it the way they want, including using the locked-down Google Play. There is no such openness in iOS or Windows Phone and Microsoft forgets that the reason they got big in the 1990s was due their openness.[/quote]

Dont you think these devs are happy, and are working towards a cool project that isn't a dead end? I mean, look at the building and the small statues. It just looks fun and devs have a future to look forward to:

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Here's a statue Microsoft should have out front of their Windows mobile devision, although there would be a nail which the hammer contacts:

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[quote="Non Hic"]I had to wait and collect my thoughts before answering you on this. Look, first of all, we must agree on the term "PC". Remember that "PC" means "personal computer". In that context, there is no such thing as "PC is dying". I guess by "PC" you mean the big tower desktop computer. That's true, that is "dying" but it doesn't mean "PC" is dying. For example, Microsoft Surface is a full "PC" with full Windows on it.[/quote]

The tower type computers won't die, they will just just sell less. They may reduce in form factor too. There will always be a need for the power that gamers and power users need, and the performance gap will always remain between tablets and desktops. Think Moore's law and heat. Also, storage, video cards, and easy upgradeability. All things a toy tablet or laptop doesn't provide. Even if tablets get so fast that the performance difference is negligible for most apps, you still have users running scientific applications like http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org or SETI@home. The future of gaming also needs extreme power. The whole "PC is dying" mantra is a marketing tool, and definite misnomer.

I had to collect my thoughts too. :)

[b]I think I have and am going beyond your intent with this post[/b]. You're right, they don't get it. To be honest, I'm actually agreeing with everything you're saying.

I'm am referring to Desktop/Laptops when I say "PC" and you're absolutely right, I shouldn't fall in that trap. I think you're right too about why they try to make such a distinction. Perhaps I'm giving the powers-that-be a MS too much credit. I'm going to start a new post, because I am going beyond your intent. :)

I had to wait and collect my thoughts before answering you on this. Look, first of all, we must agree on the term "PC". Remember that "PC" means "personal computer". In that context, there is no such thing as "PC is dying". I guess by "PC" you mean the big tower desktop computer. That's true, that is "dying" but it doesn't mean "PC" is dying. For example, Microsoft Surface is a full "PC" with full Windows on it.

This is where I have issues with this whole "PC is dying" thing that the media is hyping up. You have to be very careful and look past the Orwellian terms. By "PC is dying", they mean that they want to start locking your devices down. No more administrator (root) rights on your device. They will choose to allow or disallow whatever software they want. You will not be able to uninstall the built-in applications on these devices. Call it a modern "TV", if you will.

They have brainwashed people with this "PC is dying", "Mobile devices" thing for some years now. That's why they don't call the smartphones a "PC". They know that people are used to locked-down "phones", hence, they keep calling them "phones" and not a "PERSONAL COMPUTER". These new mobile devices, are indeed, PERSONAL COMPUTERS.

I have given example of this before. I own a Galaxy S4 Mini. 4.3" display. You look at it and hear me calling it my "PC", you would laugh, but on a closer look, it IS indeed a PC. A personal computer. I got everything in it and doing a "phone function" is just a small part of what this device does. I got measuring stick applications in it, alarms, flashlight, email, Web browser, camera (both picture and video recording), emergency alarms, emergency strobe light, countdown timer, steam, skype, GPS tracking of family members, GPS enabled map, full banking (from seeing my acccount to doing payments and bills without the need to physically go to a bank, ever), calculator + full access to my servers and "desktop PCs" using remote desktop, TV remote control functionality, VNC remote control, Firewall, mp3 player, video player (Netflix to TV etc.), I can choose which applications can access what (from gps to contacts to internet etc.), hell, I can even fully control my speakers like a Hi-Fi system and send music to them by Bluetooth ...see where I'm going with this?

This device which the media keeps calling a "phone" is in fact, not a "phone". It is a full personal computer. They just keep using these Orwellian phrases [smart, phone etc.] attached to such devices to condition people into accepting a locked-down walled [strikethrough]garden[/strikethrough] prison.

I wouldn't be able to do the above if this was a "smartphone". I have rooted my device, I fully wiped that Orwellian Samsung crap they put on it and installed an almost vanilla Android (Cyanogenmod) on it. Even with Cyanogenmod, I had to remove MANY components in order to make this "more vanilla" and "more [i]mine[/i]".

What Microsoft doesn't understand is that while they are trying to get their OS into mobile devices, at the same time, they are LOCKING IT DOWN. That is what they don't get. It will never work. No one gives a flying fuck (developers, those who matter) about such a device. That's why Android is so big. This whole removing the Start Menu is just a decoy which doubles as help to kill of many OEMs because they now also sell hardware and want less competition.

If Microsoft had put the phone function inside Windows (after all, phone function is just a driver + a small dialer application) and never forced a walled prison to users, put this on a small device, then, only then would they have succeeded. Then they would have had all the applications and developers aboard, they would have had the phone function and the full "PC" functionality. Until then, I will keep buying Android devices for my family memebers and customers.

You see, I can even connect my "phone" to mouse and keyboard AND a full HD display monitor! Never forget, there is no such thing as "PC is dying". [b]PERSONAL COMPUTING is alive and well![/b] ...what the media outlets mean is that "OPEN PERSONAL COMPUTING IS DYING". They want to kill off the openness of "desktop personal computing". They want to control you, your devices and every other aspect of your life.

Microsoft isn't dying. They want to kill off Microsoft too, on purpose because Microsoft is a threat, yes, believe it or not, a threat to openness with Windows because Windows [strikethrough]isn't[/strikethrough] wasn't locked. You have administrator rights on it.

Let's be realistic here, however. Microsoft will never switch to an open kernel. That just won't happen and besides, Linux is already there. What we must be careful with and try to avoid is a locked-down Windows. Once Windows is fully locked-down, I'm sure Google will also start preventing the "sideloading" of applications in Android as well. Remember, they are ALL big corporations, THEY ARE ALL IN THIS THING even when they pretent to hate or fight each other. If you take a step back, you will see that both the media outlets and these corporations are MOVING ON THE SAME DIRECTION, they are pushing everyone toward the same agenda, [url=http://www.foolsdesign.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=57][u]entering the invisible prison, feudalism in IT[/u][/url].

[b]Don't be fooled by them and their lipsticks.[/b]

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[i]Ps. For the record, I like pr0n and have nothing against gays, shemales etc. Whatever floats your boat is your business and your business alone.[/i] :mrgreen:

Let me go a bit further, as always feel free to disagree. Not that I could or would want to stop you :P

The PC is dying, Microsoft may have hastened that with Windows 8, but nonetheless... Microsoft is wanting to push online services more and more. Imagine the overhead that MS has in maintaining all that it does. It's very much a corporation of the late '80s - early '90s. I'm afraid that at some point they're simply going to have to decide what's worth salvaging and what's not. I wholeheartedly agree about what you're saying about openness. Switching to a more open kernel and releasing their own version of it would seem to be a good start, perhaps piling some closed source bits on top of it. I also agree about the UI, I think you know that :) What I'm saying is start with the new kernel, design a UI for the "lowest" (least resource providing) device and add more and more features to get to the highest (most resource providing) device.

They will have to do something drastic to compete in the 21st century, perhaps Windows 8 was too much, simply because they panicked. However, I'd say too much of the company is focused on Windows and the PC in general. Basically stuck in the 20th century.