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2014-06-18 09:54 »

@rloew,

Enough already!

There are no patent laws on software in Europe.

(The term "software" is considered to be ambiguous, because it may refer to a program listing written in a programming language to implement an algorithm, but also to binary code loaded in a computer-based apparatus, and it may also encompass the accompanying documentation. So in place of this ambiguous term the concept of a computer-implemented invention has been introduced.

A computer-implemented invention is one which involves the use of a computer, computer network or other programmable apparatus, where one or more features are realised wholly or partly by means of a computer program.

Under the European Patent Convention, a computer program claimed "as such" is not a patentable invention (Article 52(2)(c) and (3) EPC). Patents are not granted merely for program listings. Program listings as such are protected by copyright. For a patent to be granted for a computer-implemented invention, a technical problem has to be solved in a novel and non-obvious manner.)


  • Clearly, he didn't distribute your software.
  • Clearly, he doesn't distribute your software.
  • Clearly, we aren't distributing any copy of your software.
  • Clearly, we aren't hosting any copy (not even an old demo) of your software.
  • Clearly, we aren't hyperlinking to any illegal copy of your software except to your own Web site.
You have no claim.

End of story.

Therefore, no one cares about your false claims.

Go back to MSFN and be happy there or... because we don't ban people in here, stay here and waste more time from everybody and keep getting your ass handed to you. The choice is yours.

In short...

Pretty please, with sugar on top, go fuck yourself.


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rloew

2014-06-18 10:46 »

1. I never mentioned Patents. But maybe Trade Secret law applies here.
2. I never said my Patch Software was pirated by anybody.
3. My claim is on the Patched code segments that I added to the Windows Kernel.
4. I claim that lamp222 illegally reverse-engineered my earlier Demo Patch to create his version. The License for my Demo Patch explicitly forbids reverse engineering.
5.. I also claim that RFMaster is wrong when he says that the code lamp222 added and his Patcher modifies is different from what my Patcher does.
6. MSFN deletes posts and threads relating to warez. Dencorso is a friend and knows about lamp222.
7. I have more than one computer so I don't have to "leave" MSFN to come here.
8. There are much better uses for a finger.

Now it's enough.

RFMaster

2014-06-18 10:49 »

He waste my fuckin time. He suggests me File1 patched by his patcher to compare with File2 patched by his Patcher!

Is here someone crazy or what?


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So this clearly show that your patcher DO NOT TOUCH VMM32.VXD
My patcher (4G_Enabler) Touch VMM32.VXD And if it dont tach it patch will not work.


So where are your proofs?

You're the one who claims that someone stole your work so, you have to show proofs, not me!

Otherwise GTFO!

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2014-06-18 10:56 »

rloew wrote:...
4. I claim that lamp222 illegally reverse-engineered my earlier Demo Patch to create his version. The License for my Demo Patch explicitly forbids reverse engineering...


http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/d ... doclang=en

Case C-406/10:
"There is no copyright infringement" when a software company without access to a program's source code "studied, observed and tested that program in order to reproduce its functionality in a second program," the court said...

Copyright protection doesn't extend to the functionality of a computer program or the programming language and the format of a program's data files, the EU court said...


As I said...

Go fuck yourself!

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-0 ... court.html

Software companies can't rely on copyright rules to prevent rivals from "reverse engineering" computer programs, the European Union's highest court ruled.

SAS Institute Inc., the world's biggest closely held software company, lost a bid at the EU Court of Justice to extend copyright protection to the functions of a computer program. World Programming Ltd. infringed SAS's copyright by developing a system that copied the company's manuals, SAS said at a September hearing.

"There is no copyright infringement" when a software company without access to a program's source code "studied, observed and tested that program in order to reproduce its functionality in a second program," the court said in a statement today.

Copyright protection doesn't extend to the functionality of a computer program or the programming language and the format of a program's data files, the EU court said.


SAS, based in Cary, North Carolina, is an independent maker of so-called business intelligence programs, which spot patterns amid vast stores of data. WPL, based in Romsey, England, makes a software product that analyzes and processes data.

The ruling is "the European software copyright case of the century," said Thomas Vinje, a spokesman for the European Committee for Interoperable Systems, a group representing International Business Machines Corp., Oracle Corp. and other software developers.
Legal Certainty

"By clearly stating that functionality, programming languages and data formats are not protected, it definitively resolves fundamental issues that have been left unaddressed for two decades in European copyright law," Vinje said in an e- mail.

While the case may aid some software developers by giving them legal certainty over "reverse engineering," or analyzing concepts from rival programs to create their own products, it will also mean that established software firms "will be at much greater risk of upstart competitors copying functionality," said Guy Wilmot, a lawyer at Russell-Cooke in London.

It's the first time the EU's top court has been asked to define the scope of copyright protection for computer software. The High Court in London in 2010 referred the case to the EU tribunal for guidance on how to interpret the region's software and copyright laws. The court will decide whether SAS can claim copyright over manuals copied by WPL.

Copyright is "a somewhat ill-fitted tool in the fight against copycats," said Tom De Cordier, a lawyer at Allen & Overy in Brussels. "For a competing piece of software to constitute a copyright infringement, it will in most cases be required" that code is copied from the original computer program.

Pamela Meek, a spokeswoman for SAS, declined to immediately comment. WPL didn't respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

The case is: C-406/10, SAS Institute Inc. v. World Programming Ltd.

Reference for a preliminary ruling from High Court of Justice (Chancery Division) (England and Wales) made on 11 August 2010 - SAS Institute Inc. v World Programming Ltd

(Case C-406/10)

Language of the case: English

Referring court

High Court of Justice (Chancery Division)

Parties to the main proceedings

Applicant: SAS Institute Inc.

Defendant: World Programming Ltd

Questions referred

On the interpretation of Council Directive 91/250/EEC of 14 May 1991 on the legal protection of computer programs1 and of Directive 2009/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 23 April 2009 (codified version)2:

Where a computer program ("the First Program") is protected by copyright as a literary work, is Article 1(2) to be interpreted as meaning that it is not an infringement of the copyright in the First Program for a competitor of the rightholder without access to the source code of the First Program, either directly or via a process such as decompilation of the object code, to create another program ("the Second Program") which replicates the functions of the First Program?

Is the answer to question 1 affected by any of the following factors:

the nature and/or extent of the functionality of the First Program;

the nature and/or extent of the skill, judgment and labour which has been expended by the author of the First Program in devising the functionality of the First Program;

the level of detail to which the functionality of the First Program has been reproduced in the Second Program;

if the source code for the Second Program reproduces aspects of the source code of the First Program to an extent which goes beyond that which was strictly necessary in order to produce the same functionality as the First Program?

3. Where the First Program interprets and executes application programs written by users of the First Program in a programming language devised by the author of the First Program which comprises keywords devised or selected by the author of the First Program and a syntax devised by the author of the First Program, is Article 1(2) to be interpreted as meaning that it is not an infringement of the copyright in the First Program for the Second Program to be written so as to interpret and execute such application programs using the same keywords and the same syntax?

4. Where the First Program reads from and writes to data files in a particular format devised by the author of the First Program, is Article 1(2) to be interpreted as meaning that it is not an infringement of the copyright in the First Program for the Second Program to be written so as to read from and write to data files in the same format?

5. Does it make any difference to the answer to questions 1, 3 and 4 if the author of the Second Program created the Second Program by:

observing, studying and testing the functioning of the First Program; or

reading a manual created and published by the author of the First Program which describes the functions of the First Program ("the Manual"); or

both (a) and (b)?

6. Where a person has the right to use a copy of the First Program under a licence, is Article 5(3) to be interpreting as meaning that the licensee is entitled, without the authorisation of the rightholder, to perform acts of loading, running and storing the program in order to observe, test or study the functioning of the First Program so as to determine the ideas and principles which underlie any element of the program, if the licence permits the licensee to perform acts of loading, running and storing the First Program when using it for the particular purpose permitted by the licence, but the acts done in order to observe, study or test the First Program extend outside the scope of the purpose permitted by the licence?

7. Is Article 5(3) to be interpreted as meaning that acts of observing, testing or studying of the functioning of the First Program are to be regarded as being done in order to determine the ideas or principles which underlie any element of the First Program where they are done:

to ascertain the way in which the First Program functions, in particular details which are not described in the Manual, for the purpose of writing the Second Program in the manner referred to in question 1 above;

to ascertain how the First Program interprets and executes statements written in the programming language which it interprets and executes (see question 3 above);

to ascertain the formats of data Files which are written to or read by the First Program (see question 4 above);

to compare the performance of the Second Program with the First Program for the purpose of investigating reasons why their performances differ and to improve the performance of the Second Program;

to conduct parallel tests of the First Program and the Second Program in order to compare their outputs in the course of developing the Second Program, in particular by running the same test scripts through both the First Program and the Second Program;

to ascertain the output of the log file generated by the First Program in order to produce a log file which is identical or similar in appearance;

to cause the First Program to output data (in fact, data correlating zip codes to States of the USA) for the purpose of ascertaining whether or not it corresponds with official databases of such data, and if it does not so correspond, to program the Second Program so that it will respond in the same way as the First Program to the same input data.

B. On the interpretation of Directive 2001/29/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 May 2001 on the harmonisation of certain aspects of copyright and related rights in the information society3:

8. Where the Manual is protected by copyright as a literary work, is Article 2(a) to be interpreted as meaning that it is an infringement of the copyright in the Manual for the author of the Second Program to reproduce or substantially reproduce in the Second Program any of the following matters described in the Manual:

the selection of statistical operations which have been implemented in the First Program;.

the mathematical formulae used in the Manual to describe those operations;

the particular commands or combinations of commands by which those operations may be invoked;

the options which the author of the First Program has provide in respect of various commands;

the keywords and syntax recognised by the First Program;.

(f) the defaults which the author of the First Program has chosen to implement in the event that a particular command or option is not specified by the user;

(g) the number of iterations which the First Program will perform in certain circumstances?

9. Is Article 2(a) to be interpreted as meaning that it is an infringement of the copyright in the Manual for the author of the Second Program to reproduce or substantially reproduce in a manual describing the Second Program the keywords and syntax recognised by the First Program?

____________

1 - OJ L 122, p. 42

2 - Directive 2009/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 23 April 2009 on the legal protection of computer programs (Codified version) (Text with EEA relevance), OJ L 111, p. 16

3 - OJ L 167, p. 10

Scorpius

2014-06-18 10:59 »

Worry not RFMaster. He has no case. He is just a moron. Perhaps, some kind of American trash. (No offence to our non-trashy American friends.)

I, user.

2014-06-18 11:01 »

Someone should sue him for defamation. :silent:

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2014-06-18 11:07 »

rloew wrote:...Dencorso is a friend and knows about lamp222...

Both you and him can go fuck yourselves.

rloew wrote:...I have more than one computer so I don't have to "leave" MSFN to come here...

Good for you.

rloew wrote:...Now it's enough.

Idiot.

rloew

2014-06-18 11:12 »

On the subject of Copyright.

1. Lamp222 make an exact copy of most of my Patch data.
2. Even if Copyright law allows reverse engineering, contract law would not since it is prohibited by the License.

@RFMaster

You used a very old version of my Patch that used a different approach. Version 3.2 is almost 7 years old, even older than what lamp222 had.
Use the current Version which is 7.1.

In your last attempt, you patched your system files not the intended target file.

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2014-06-18 11:21 »

rloew wrote:...Even if Copyright law allows reverse engineering, contract law would not since it is prohibited by the License...

You cannot, from USA, license away something which is fully legal in Europe. On top of that, your "license" doesn't apply to someone who never had a contract with you in the first place. RFMaster never agreed to your license and has no contract with you.

In short... idiot. :wink:

RFMaster

2014-06-18 11:25 »

WTF are you talking about?

Lamp222 publish his patched files in a year 2008!

Your demo patch v7.1 is from year 2012

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So you claim that he used old version of your patch!

Now you say it should be checked with your latest version!

So if you now sell your work from year 2012 that is similar to someones work form year 2008

You sould think about who stole who's work!

If you look better in Lamp222's patched files you 'll see that files are modified in a year 2002

So. Stop wasting my fuckin time!

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